Author Topic: SOPA / PIPA (Read 2926 times)

continuants · « **on:** January 15, 2012, 03:51:51 AM »

Enoch you should censor the bored on Wednesday in support of internet blackout day. Pretty sure the music subforum would violate this dumb law

if you have no idea what sopa is, explanation is here: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/protect-ip-act-stop-online-piracy-act

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If passed by Congress, Protect IP Act would allow the government to curb public access to websites that have “no significant use” other than infringing copyright, enabling or facilitating copyright infringement. It would also make unauthorized media streaming an act of felony and hold the web publishers and hosting services responsible for curbing their users from posting copyright-infringed content.

In addition, Stop Online Piracy Act would effectively rid of the safe harbor provisions in the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which grants Web sites immunity from prosecution as long as they act in good faith to take down infringing content upon notice. Under strict interpretation, a wide range of online communities and social networks including YouTube, Twitter and Facebook would have to censor users or get shut down and ordinary users could be imprisoned for five years or posting any copyrighted work.

RampSkater · « **Reply #1 on:** January 15, 2012, 08:29:20 AM »

I have a feeling, if this does pass, someone will sue on the basis of it being unconstitutional.

I really like Mark Warner's (VA Senator) website because any comments about this made in their contact form automatically displays a scanned image of a letter indicating their intent not to support the bill.

Harry Hijinks · « **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2012, 09:25:55 AM »

Sopapillas are delicious!

Jenny Incompetence · « **Reply #3 on:** January 15, 2012, 09:31:49 AM »

Someone write "The SOPA Took My Baby Away"

Harry Hijinks · « **Reply #4 on:** January 15, 2012, 09:57:17 AM »

Soappa soppa pippa pippa
Went to rikers
123 4 a
DVD rippa
shimmy shimmy
Sha nanana
Hooray
For the USA

continuants · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2012, 04:36:18 PM »

Quote from: RampSkater on January 15, 2012, 08:29:20 AM

I have a feeling, if this does pass, someone will sue on the basis of it being unconstitutional.

It won't work though, there's too much money pro-sopa that it'll get shut down. It would just die in the courts. no one cares about the constitution.

If you run a website and want to go dark on January 18th, here's a code for an awesome blackout page: https://github.com/zachstronaut/stop-sopa/blob/master/index.html

ihatesocks · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2012, 04:40:21 PM »

The music sub board is all specifically shit that the bands have offered for free download. how does that violate even an exaggerated piracy law?

mattmattmatt · « **Reply #7 on:** January 15, 2012, 04:47:13 PM »

This thing (SOPA) is crazy stupid. I hope it does, but I think it's got a 75% chance of happening.

crickit · « **Reply #8 on:** January 15, 2012, 04:55:13 PM »

i'd love to see a functioning internet bureaucracy

mattmattmatt · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2012, 08:10:47 PM »

It'd be real nice if google threw in with this protest. Apparently wiki is going to.

Matt Allison · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2012, 08:22:38 PM »

Quote from: continuants on January 15, 2012, 03:51:51 AM

Pretty sure the music subforum would violate this dumb law

Please post the language in the law that would take down the music forum.

Harry Hijinks · « **Reply #11 on:** January 16, 2012, 09:42:25 PM »

Quote from: Matt Allison on January 16, 2012, 08:22:38 PM

Please post the language in the law that would take down the music forum.

There is none. The sub forum is by artist permission.

Enoch · « **Reply #12 on:** January 16, 2012, 09:48:39 PM »

Quote from: continuants on January 15, 2012, 03:51:51 AM

Enoch you should censor the bored on Wednesday in support of internet blackout day. Pretty sure the music subforum would violate this dumb law

if you have no idea what sopa is, explanation is here: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/protect-ip-act-stop-online-piracy-act

If congressmen or anyone of importance was active here for shutting it down to make a difference I would do it in a second.

SOPA would fuck the board since people put YouTube videos here. If YouTube has even one video on its entire site that is using copy written music the law would make this site banned.

Enoch · « **Reply #13 on:** January 16, 2012, 09:50:35 PM »

Quote from: mattmattmatt on January 16, 2012, 08:10:47 PM

It'd be real nice if google threw in with this protest. Apparently wiki is going to.

Wikipedia is for 24 hours on Wednesday. If Google did as well that would be the end of SOPA and PIPA. They did tone down some of the language in the bill and delayed it being on the house floor but is in no way over.

Matt Allison · « **Reply #14 on:** January 16, 2012, 10:00:21 PM »

Quote from: Enoch on January 16, 2012, 09:48:39 PM

If YouTube has even one video on its entire site that is using copy written music the law would make this site banned.

Please post the language in the law that if YouTube has even one video on its entire site that is using copy written music the law would make this site banned.

Enoch · « **Reply #15 on:** January 16, 2012, 10:14:19 PM »

Quote from: Matt Allison on January 16, 2012, 10:00:21 PM

Please post the language in the law that if YouTube has even one video on its entire site that is using copy written music the law would make this site banned.

I am not by a computer now. I will look for it tomorrow. I might be mistaken but I know I did read a news article saying this. Regardless if anyone posts a video here with a copywriten song or image in it the entire site can be taken down from that single link

IveGotAFang · « **Reply #16 on:** January 16, 2012, 10:17:26 PM »

Didn't I read that SOPA was dead? PIPA is still out there, but I think the biggest pusher of SOPA dropped it like a wet sack of shit.

mattmattmatt · « **Reply #17 on:** January 16, 2012, 10:29:53 PM »

Quote from: IveGotAFang on January 16, 2012, 10:17:26 PM

Didn't I read that SOPA was dead? PIPA is still out there, but I think the biggest pusher of SOPA dropped it like a wet sack of shit.

It was 'shelved' aka 'we'll cool it for a few weeks then slip it by without anyone noticing'

Matt Allison · « **Reply #18 on:** January 16, 2012, 11:47:59 PM »

Quote from: Enoch on January 16, 2012, 10:14:19 PM

Regardless if anyone posts a video here with a copywriten song or image in it the entire site can be taken down from that single link

Enoch- are you dealing with some hotheaded ISP? Because that certainly isn't the law.

If you left such things up, the rightsholder could file a DMCA notice demanding it be pulled. If you ignored it, it would leave you open to a lawsuit by the owner or the government.

But the law couldn't just yank your site. That's not how things work.

mattmattmatt · « **Reply #19 on:** January 16, 2012, 11:51:56 PM »

Not yet...

continuants · « **Reply #20 on:** January 17, 2012, 01:31:21 AM »

@Matt Allison

under SOPA if something on any site gets marked as a violation, the entire site is responsible and there is no forgiveness period. the takedown is immediate until the gvt wants to deal with it. if some label gets shitty about their band choosing to put up their music, the label can argue that they have the copyright to the recording and get it taken down.

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(5) RELIEF- On application of a qualifying plaintiff following the commencement of an action under this section with respect to an Internet site dedicated to theft of U.S. property, the court may issue a temporary restraining order, a preliminary injunction, or an injunction, in accordance with rule 65 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, against a registrant of a domain name used by the Internet site, or against an owner or operator of the Internet site, or, in an action brought in rem under paragraph (2), against the Internet site, or against the domain name used by the Internet site, to cease and desist from undertaking any further activity as an Internet site dedicated to theft of U.S. property.

i hope that answers yr questions, here's the whole bill if you want to read it http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3261/text

while SOPA's shelved, PIPA isn't and that one still has the DNS provisions in it for now(the ones that were removed from sopa) which makes it more dangerous than SOPA now. my company is still blacking out on wednesday and i am really excited to see what happens now that wikipedia's definitely in for the 24 hr blackout

Matt Allison · « **Reply #21 on:** January 17, 2012, 02:34:13 AM »

Continuants- I appreciate you posting text from the bill; the best thing people can do when debating legislation is to understand it by reading it.

The key part of what you quoted was "dedicated to infringement". Whether it is this bill or any future piracy bill, this term will be used; it has its own definition in all piracy bills. This site is not dedicated to infringement and is in no danger of being affected by any piracy legislation.

Harry Hijinks · « **Reply #22 on:** January 17, 2012, 06:59:19 AM »

What about "hot linking"?

Big Bobby · « **Reply #23 on:** January 17, 2012, 08:12:20 AM »

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(5) RELIEF- On application of a qualifying plaintiff following the commencement of an action under this section with respect to an Internet site dedicated to theft of U.S. property, the court may issue a temporary restraining order, a preliminary injunction, or an injunction, in accordance with rule 65 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, against a registrant of a domain name used by the Internet site, or against an owner or operator of the Internet site, or, in an action brought in rem under paragraph (2), against the Internet site, or against the domain name used by the Internet site, to cease and desist from undertaking any further activity as an Internet site dedicated to theft of U.S. property.

This is new. It is redefining copyright infringement as theft, even given this Supreme Court ruling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowling_v._United_States_(1985).

rex · « **Reply #24 on:** January 17, 2012, 08:52:49 AM »

Hey Enoch, don't do this because its stupid and ruins my day. Thanks.

rex.